|(10:35:23)||Visitor 74789261: Hi, I’m leading the build of a yoga/shiatsu studio and my client would like to install a cork flooring. The building has a concrete slab and will NOT be heated permanently, as it’s off-grid in the wood in a vacation centre. Which of your product would best fit this application?|
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|(10:35:54)||Cacork Floor :Cork Glue down tiles with 3M 30NF Green Fastbond Contact Adhesive|
|(10:36:24)||Cacork Floor : As soon as it is “unheated” or goes without HVAC, the warranty is void – but then again so would ANY floor.|
|(10:36:53)||Cacork Floor : In the Pacific coast region this is not much of an issue.|
|(10:37:10)||Customer: I’m from Quebec|
|(10:37:11)||Cacork Floor : IN more extreme areas the life of any floor will be reduced when exposed to extremes.|
|(10:37:57)||Customer: The floor will go through temperatures from -25 to +25.|
|(10:38:13)||Cacork Floor : Yep…reduced life expectancy = to be expected.|
|(10:39:34)||Customer: What would be the best way to prevent damage, I’m thinking especially in terms of underglooring. I was thinking vapour barier plus foamy underlayment|
|(10:39:36)||Cacork Floor : My shift is over – is there anything else?|
|(10:39:49)||Cacork Floor : Please send your questions in an email|
|(10:39:57)||Cacork Floor : Contact us|
|(10:40:29)||Cacork Floor : The details of such an install are pretty tough to get done over a chat. It should take me 1-2 hours of typing to get it all down.|
|(10:40:43)||Cacork Floor : Please send email with your question and I will try my best to answer tomorrow.|
|(10:40:55)||Customer: Ok, thanks!
I happen to build a Yoga studio that’s going to be off-grid in the forest, here in Quebec. My client insists on using cork for flooring as it’s a natural, soft and “warm” material. I’m concerned because the building will be left unheated for long periods of time, so the humidity rate will fluctuate a lot. This would probably cause expansion and contraction to the floor, especially if it’s a floating floor, and could badly damage it if it happens too often or too quickly. A fireplace will be added to the room and I’m afraid that someone coming in the dead of the winter might make a fire too hot too quickly and the humidity rate would change rapidly.
The building is round, 27 feet of diameter inside. Right now the floor is a concrete slab. What would be your best product to tackle those challenges? I understand very well the fact that because humidity and heat will not be constent, your warranty will be void. I want the best option to mitigate my client needs with the conditions the building is into.
I was also considering installing a polystyrene insulation between the concrete and the cork floating floor for added insulation and protection from temperature differences between the top and the bottom of the board.
Please indicate me what solution you would recommend to me given the circumstances, and which of your product s best suited.
Cancour Floor Answer
The best flooring for unheated space is cork glue-down tiles, but you must use 3M 30NF Green Fastbond Contact Adhesive to install the cork tiles. Ray cork installed cork tiles in a trailer in Winnipeg area 15 years ago. The cork floor still in very good condition. You can call Ray about installation cork tiles. He provides cork glue down tiles installation service. (Ray 204-770-0200)
This is one of the toughest things you will do – install “indoor” materials in an unheated space in Quebec. Everything you install will have a limited lifespan.
A cork floating floor + 6mm cork underlay = a nice way to insulate the space. This will do what the ‘polystyrene’ insulation would do without the big expense. A cork floating floor in your situation may only have 7-15 years of life in it. A carpet = 7-15 years of life. Vinyl = 3-7 years. Laminate = 3-10 years. Linoleum = 5-15 years. Hardwood = 5-15 years. As you can see, everything we have that is “interior” grade is going to have a vastly shorter life span.
Cork Glue down tiles is the best flooring for you. The down side of glue down tiles is installation requires more time. you may need a professional installer like Ray cork to install cork glue-down tile. Installation fee is more expensive than floating floor. …..
So my week has been filled with homeowners who have to deal with OSB (oriented strand board) as their substrate or flooring underlayment. This normally wouldn’t be a problem for a floating floor install (click together type of flooring), but the same homeowners have requested a glue down cork tile as their final floor. Ohhhh dear! Things can go wrong in a HURRY on a job site. And this is one SNAFU that could have been avoided – but it takes forethought by everyone involved – including the homeowner.
Sigh. This is where my job gets REALLY intense. I mean dealing with swearing homeowners already up to their eyeballs in cost over-runs and delays. Boy oh boy does it get intense around here when OSB is the substrate for glue down tiles. Why all the fuss you ask? It starts with how OSB is created.
OSB is a manufactured product that uses tremendous amounts of adhesives (to keep all the wood chips together). It is pressed together and often finished with “wax” of some description. The wax helps keep the OSB moisture and rot resistant (doesn’t always work). Both the adhesives and the wax cause problems with permanent glue down floors. They are considered “contaminants” in the world of chemistry (in the flooring industry the chemistry component of the job can never be stressed enough). And cork is only one of many glue down or permanent floors that CANNOT use OSB as a substrate. It is an issue with so many floors. Not to mention it is problematic with nail down hardwood and bamboo as well.
“So why use OSB it if has so many problems?” Simple. Economics. OSB is CHEAP. And CHEAP is what helps sell homeowners on a project or wins a General Contractor (GC) the bid. The builder who puts in the lowest bid often wins the job. Part of that bid includes cheap surfaces. OSB is one of them. This gets everyone into trouble when the flooring has yet to be chosen (ahem…homeowners don’t have enough information about their build to be able to offer a floor cover), leaving the GC alone in “guessing” at what to use as underlay. When the floor is chosen (in this case a glue down cork tile) Builders are on the hook for a more expensive surface and homeowners are on the hook for a change order (that they didn’t even know existed). Tempers flare at this point.
The builders (either at the time the house was built or at the time of bidding the renovation) will use their best guess when it comes to bidding a project. They will use their own history to price out a job. Part of a flooring job includes underlayment – which means 90% of the time to be OSB (unless specifically stated as something else). That’s how they make money. They use “good enough” materials instead of the better or best materials. Most of the time they can get away with it. But in some cases, like a glue down cork floor, they are bitten by the “good enough” bug. And it bites HARD!
The problem with OSB and glue down materials comes from chemical incompatibility between the adhesives/wax in the OSB and the adhesive required to install these floors. The contaminants in the OSB means it is useless to even try to glue to it. Floor failure can be expected inside of a few weeks. In many cases it shows up the next day. By that time, it is too late. The cork cannot be salvaged, the adhesives cannot be salvaged and the whole thing is a redo. It is better to take the time to remove the OSB or cover it up and then start the glue down process once fresh, subfloor grade plywood has been installed and properly prepared. And properly prepared means the same sort of prep as sheet vinyl or linoleum. That’s a lot of prep. Especially if the OSB has to be removed or resurfaced with something else. The price of the project will climb – steeply.
The moral of the story is: Make sure you know what type of flooring you want before allowing your contractor cartier love bracelet knock off
to lay underlayment. If in doubt, specify subfloor grade plywood – be prepared to pay the extra. Subfloor grade plywood is acceptable in all but a few situations.
Cancork Floor Inc.
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